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Rik Swartzwelder
Writer, Producer
Benjamin Hershleder
Director, Producer, Editor

 

Rik's thoughts following
The McPassion's
40 day & 40 night Internet run.

See viewers' comments, blog discussions and contest entries
after the Questions & Answers section below.

 

Benjamin's thoughts following
The McPassion's
40 day & 40 night Internet run.

See viewers' comments, blog discussions and contest entries
after the Questions & Answers section below.

 

 
Q: Why make this movie, Rik?   Q: Why make this movie, Benjamin?


For the record, I'm a fan of both Christ himself and of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ. Our short film is in no way intended as a parody of either Jesus or the brutal blockbuster that detailed his final hours. It's important to say this because, even though The McPassion is only four minutes long, it's already caused more division in my creative life than any other project I've ever worked on.

I openly confess: I'm a believer, man. Nowadays, of course, the label "Christian" is used by a lot of divisive factions that I may not agree with so I always get a little nervous when tossing my faith out there without the chance to clarify; so, in short, I fully embrace the redemption uniquely offered by the atoning sacrifice made by the Lamb of God and his message of love for the whole world. Further, I don't think there is anything at all funny about his teachings, the beating he took, or the sins of humanity (past, present, and future) that gave, and continue to give, that beating purpose. As for Gibson's remarkable film, I was shaken to my core and left the theatre after watching it with a far deeper appreciation of the text, "by his stripes we're healed." I'm proud of the risk Gibson took in making that film and have incredible respect for him as an artist and storyteller.

 


Rik has his point with the film. For me, first, it was an opportunity to make something funny. Very often comedy comes from the incongruous combination of elements; and smashing together fast food kiddie meals with The Passion of the Christ is about as incongruous as it gets.

Secondly, it was an opportunity to comment on commercialism. Companies of every kind go to great lengths to promote their products. In addition to cross-promotional tie-ins, like The McPassion parodies, there's increased product placement in films and on television; plus there's viral, guerrilla, and direct marketing, to name just a few. There's nothing wrong with any of that, but the film raises the question, "When does marketing cross the line?"

 

  Wow, Rik's not done.
He's got a lot to say, huh?
All that said, I do believe that the increasing amount of church-directed marketing for entertainment products is fair game for parody and satire. Companies now exist for the sole purpose of telling Hollywood how to market their films to the "church crowd" and church members are routinely told by church leaders that it is their "Christian responsibility" to buy a particular inspirational or entertainment or both product (and that's what we're talking about here, products; many of which are generating big, big dollars). And it doesn't matter if we're talking traditional, mainline churches or hip, emergent, post-modern ones with ancient-future liturgy; it's the same deal, only the pitch and packaging are different.
   
 
Look, I'm no theologian, but whatever “the Gospel” is, I know this much – it's free. No one ever has to buy another anything to get closer to God. Everywhere we turn these days, someone is selling us something. And as I understand it, the primary purpose of coming together as believers is to proclaim the Gospel in word and deed. Isn't Jesus, in a sense, the product to end all products? Why can't at least some of our gathering times be a sanctuary from commerce? Why can't the church be the one place lost and hurting people can go to heal and seek shelter from financial exploitation? From being told their lives will remain incomplete without buying this book, this pill, this...one...more...thing? Sure, filmmakers will always have to advertise and shamelessly self-promote their works (like I'm painfully doing on this web site); it comes with the territory. But can't we keep the P.T. Barnum in all of us where he belongs, on billboards and in TV commercials and out of sacraments and doxologies?

 

 
  Is he still going on over there?
Q: Why make it now?
 
Q: Why make it now?
 
I wrote the original script back when The Passion of the Christ was released in February of 2004. As usual, I shared the rough draft with some fellow filmmakers and some “Religiosos” (what my good friend Ben calls church-types like me). The response was strong, on both sides – people found it either incredibly funny or incredibly offensive; so, I reflected…and then I got caught up with some other projects and the script sat on my shelf…until…a few things happened:

One, I spoke at the Biola Media Conference in April 2005 and, while there, learned some of the details of the marketing of the upcoming The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (including a proposed “kiddie meal”). Two, I heard from a friend that he actually saw the trailer for that film during a church worship service.

But again, please hear me, I'm not picking on Narnia or C.S. Lewis – he's one of my favorite authors, by far. And I thank God for Walden Media and Disney rolling the dice and bringing this classic story to the screen. The point is, I don't need to see a movie trailer during a worship service to help me make up my mind…any more than I need to see a plug for a robust Cabernet, Welch's grape juice, or Nabisco before communion.

Be that as it may, number three: I saw a promotional piece for The Passion Recut that reminded me of that script of mine that was doing nothing but collecting dust.

At the same time, I'd been reading more and more articles about film and religion and marketing; so, even though it'd been about a year since the theatrical release of The Passion of the Christ, its impact on the church and media was still being felt and discussed…and multiple “faith-friendly” projects were beginning to pile up and jockey to repeat The Passion's financial windfall…so…I felt the ideas and issues that The McPassion might bring to the surface would be even more relevant now than when I first wrote the script.

And finally, I'd moved to LA by this point so all I had to do was turn and look at Ben and ask, “You wanna direct it?”

 

 
 
The Passion of the Christ is a powerful, moving film and it makes sense that a respectful amount of time should pass before a film that combines humor with it should be made. For me, the reason for waiting is in the same vain as the old comedians' adage that basically says, "tragedy plus time equals comedy."

 

  Yikes! Where's Evelyn Wood
when you really need her?!



 

 

Q: What was the initial spark for the idea?
 
Q: What was the initial spark for the idea?
 
I was visiting my brother in Charlotte, North Carolina, when I wrote the original version of the script, which was actually much longer and included a sales pitch from a pastor at the end (thanks again for wisely cutting it down, Ben). In any event, for the first time in many years, my brother was interested in attending church with me; so, we visited several during the six weeks or so that I was there. At every turn, the pastor or priest was declaring from the pulpit that it was our “Christian duty” or “moral obligation” to buy a ticket to The Passion of the Christ. There were posters, bulletin inserts, movie clips – the works. Many churches even bought blocks of tickets and then resold them, in many cases doing so without ever even seeing the film. Now, all of this didn't happen by accident, obviously, and it got me thinking about marketing through churches and just what the purpose of the pulpit and communal worship is or should be about.

If we're gonna give movie tickets away for free, that's one thing; but opening the church doors and inviting marketers in to come and sell their wares (used cars or cosmetics or movie tickets) seems precarious to me. And that goes for overt marketing or the more “covert” kind (re: study guides, etc.). Another thing: What happens next year, when there are four or five or twenty “Christian-related” movies? Which ones get the extra push from the pulpit? Just the ones with celebrities and/or big money paving the way? Despite stern Biblical warnings, favoritism and celebrity culture continue to thrive in our congregations; all the more reason we should approach these issues soberly and with caution.

Also, do the churches that are willing to serve as marketing vehicles for “big” films also support – in the same way – young filmmakers in their own memberships that are struggling to develop their film craft? If not, why not?

 

 
 
Rik said, “Hey, I have this funny idea…ya wanna direct it?” Then we set about refining and adding to the idea. I was pleased to be able to add in a decent amount of jokes too and add to it more of its fast commercial-like feel at the script stage.

 

 

 


  Is he done yet?
My eyes are getting tired.



Q: Are you concerned some
    might find it offensive?
  Q: Are you concerned some
    might find it offensive?
 
I'm counting on it. But after that, I hope and pray that those offended might think about and discuss why The McPassion offended them and then see if there are any ways in which the way we currently “do church” might be offensive.

The issue of “the body of Christ” being used and exploited as a marketing focus group is one of the major ones the church faces today. There are no easy answers, I realize, and I certainly don't mean to oversimplify the situation; but I would like to add to the conversation.

Many argue that if marketing some high-profile Hollywood and/or "Christian market" films in churches is the price to pay for turning the tide in the alleged “culture wars” or changing movie content via delivering big audiences to “church-friendly” movies…well then…so be it. I'm not sure I agree. Where does it end? How do we protect our pulpits from outside influences whose primary goal may or may not be the Gospel? Only God knows hearts and motives, we don't, that's a fact. But, do the pockets we line when we endorse products during worship give back to the local congregations that supported the effort? Should they? Would that even be ethical? These days, the waters we're wading in are getting muddier and muddier...

One thing I do know, the only time Jesus got intensely angry in the New Testament was when commerce got too close to the worship at the temple…adding unnecessary merchandise to the shoulders of those that were already burdened and broken. That's worth paying attention to, I believe.

A final note: I'm absolutely not saying that we shouldn't support artists who are Christian (I am one) or the works they create (please, buy our stuff). I am saying that when it comes to communal worship times, and there compelling congregations to buy into the latest cause du jour with a price tag, we might want to stop, collectively catch our breath, and wrestle with some tough questions that aren't being asked enough right now, in my opinion. If a pastor or priest sees a movie or hears a song and is moved by it and wants to share that enthusiasm, that's one thing; jumping blindly onto a marketing bandwagon, even a noble one, is something else altogether.

 

 
 
Sure. The film's intention certainly isn't to offend. I believe that when someone thinks about the film and sees that it's really not ridiculing religion but rather making a statement about commercialism, I think they'll be OK with it.

 

 

  I think I'm starting to get hungry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  I'm going out for some fries.
You want anything?


Q: Is anything sacred?
 
Q: Is anything sacred?
 
Absolutely. Part of the problem is that we've become so overly-familiar, if not outright numb, to just how sacred much of what we commodify truly is. Ultimately, that's the point of The McPassion. Ridiculous as it is, we're not that far from it, in reality.

 

 
 
While I'm not the most religious guy in the world, Rik makes a thought provoking point in his little html cell over there. But for me, I think virtually everything should be held up to the light for examination.


Q: Why the “coming soon” cards
    during the end titles?
 
Q: Why the “coming soon” cards
    during the end titles?
 
For me, it's kind of a test to see just how open-minded people are, or aren't. If someone is offended by one of the “coming soon” cards in the credits, but not by anything that preceded it; well, that's revealing, I think. We'll see what happens…

 

 
 
Another of Rik's good ideas. Together we came up with several that we thought would be funny that highlighted peoples' common conceptions of each religion. The purpose is that it extends the theme beyond just Christianity.

Q: What do you hope to
    achieve with the film?
  Q: What do you hope to
    achieve with the film?

Entertainment first. Make people laugh…and then think. There are two audiences though, really: the festival crowd and the church crowd, and they're more than a little different, to put it mildly. Regardless, if The McPassion inspires either crowd to stop and discuss the potentially dangerous relationship between religion and commerce, the film will have achieved what I'd hoped.
 


Of course I want to make people laugh and enjoy themselves; but basically, I figured making a funny, thought-provoking film was better than walking around L.A. with a sign that says, “Will make tv shows and films for food” – though I could use the exercise. In a practical sense, short films are calling cards. Like Arnold Horshack from Welcome Back, Kotter, it's a way of saying to the folks in Hollywood, “Ooo! Ooo! Pay attention to me! I have good ideas Mr. Kotter!”

 

Q: Do you believe in God?
 
Q: Do you believe in God?
 
Um . . . have you been skimming or something?

 

 
 
Yes.
Q: Do you think God has a sense of humor?
 
Q: Do you think God has a sense of humor?
 
I'm hoping so. Actually, based on my own life and what I've read in Scripture, the evidence to the affirmative is overwhelming.

 

 
 
Of course. Why else would God have invented farting?

Q: What does your mom think of this project?
 
Q: What does your mom think of this project?
 
First and foremost, she's concerned about my safety.
 
 
She thinks it's funny; and she gets that it's satirizing commercialism rather than lampooning religion.

 

Q: What is your favorite fast food item?
 
Q: What is your favorite fast food item?
 
The McGriddle, hands down. Sausage only, no egg or cheese.
 
 
Right now I'm partial to Burger King's Spicy Tendercrisp Chicken Sandwich.

 

Q: If you could super-size anything,
     what would it be?
 
Q: If you could super-size anything,
     what would it be?
 
The capacity for complete and genuine forgiveness in the human heart.

 

 
 
That seems a little personal, doesn't it?

Q: Your three favorite movies?
 
Q: Your three favorite movies?
 
This list is always evolving, but three mainstays are Groundhog Day, Searching For Bobby Fischer, and Meet John Doe.
 
 
I have to say the three that come to mind immediately are Delicatessen, Fargo and The Full Monty. It's tough picking just three. Other films that are on my list and in my DVD collection are Time Bandits, The Big Chill, Broadcast News, and The Dirty Dozen. And if the British version of The Office were a film rather than a tv show I'd have to include that as well.

 

Q: Favorite spiritual quote?
 
Q: Favorite spiritual quote?
 
Again, this list is constantly changing; at the moment, I have two:

“It is not within our power to place the divine teachings directly in someone else's heart. All that we can do is place them on the surface of the heart so that when the heart breaks they will drop in.” – Hasidic anecdote

“Our lives begin to end the moment we remain silent about things that matter.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

 
 
"Oh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.”
– The Dalai Lama as recounted by Carl Spackler,    Bushwood Country Club Grounds Keeper.


So, I've got that going for me, which is nice.



 

 

I find this to be one of the most disrespectful shows I've ever seen! – Jessica W.

 

Your movie made me laugh so hard that milk came out my nose.
And I haven't drank milk in over 6 months. A miracle?
– Thom P.

 
           
 
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The people below won
a DVD of The McPassion

for submitting humorous ideas
that fit within The McPassion's theme.

The entries below are the ones we thought were the funniest
(in our totally biased opinion of course)

 

McPassion… You can have it Yahweh!
– Alan S.

 
           
 

There's got to be a McRib joke
somewhere in there...
– Zach F.

   

McAdam's Rib Sandwich.
– Bryant W.

 
           
 

McMormon: comes with as many side dishes as you want… Sorry, boys only!
and
AgMcNostic: you might get a burger.
– Dave

 
           
 

Apple pies straight from the garden of eatin'.
– Greg F.

   

Sacred Heart nightlight.
– Terance

 
           
 

Apostle Peter talking doll...
squeeze him and a different denial comes out every time!
– David B.

 
           
 

Hot Palm Sundaes!
– Meredith McP.

   

Chicken McManna Kids Meal…
tastes like it fell from heaven!
– Kane McE.

 
           
 

Each meal comes with the "Pontius Pilate Handy Wipe" to wash those hands clean!
– Brian N.

 

The McJehova... there would be no toys, because that's a pagan thing!
– Eric D.